1 00:00:00,173 --> 00:00:03,093 This is Justice in America. 2 00:00:03,176 --> 00:00:05,095 And I'm Madeline McBride. 3 00:00:05,178 --> 00:00:08,390 It has been 73 days since the murder 4 00:00:08,473 --> 00:00:10,100 of 11-year-old Kaylee Nagle. 5 00:00:10,183 --> 00:00:13,728 Kaylee was found sexually assaulted and stabbed to death 6 00:00:13,812 --> 00:00:15,730 in her Westchester, New York home. 7 00:00:15,814 --> 00:00:18,275 And while the police have yet to make an arrest, 8 00:00:18,300 --> 00:00:20,636 there is one suspect from whom 9 00:00:20,777 --> 00:00:22,112 we never hear. 10 00:00:22,195 --> 00:00:24,406 I'm talking about Kaylee's stepfather, 11 00:00:24,489 --> 00:00:26,408 Jeremy Brennan. 12 00:00:26,491 --> 00:00:28,785 According to Jeremy's statement to the police, 13 00:00:28,868 --> 00:00:30,620 he picked up Kaylee after school 14 00:00:30,704 --> 00:00:32,622 at soccer practice and returned home. 15 00:00:33,408 --> 00:00:35,417 And while Kaylee's mother was at work, 16 00:00:35,506 --> 00:00:38,372 Jeremy claims he went on a bike ride 17 00:00:38,413 --> 00:00:41,416 and returned less than an hour later to find 18 00:00:41,441 --> 00:00:44,611 his stepdaughter dead on the kitchen floor, 19 00:00:45,112 --> 00:00:47,641 her soccer jersey ripped open, 20 00:00:47,702 --> 00:00:50,425 her shorts pulled down to her ankles, 21 00:00:50,566 --> 00:00:54,429 and a kitchen knife buried in her chest. 22 00:00:55,263 --> 00:00:58,308 Well, apparently, the police are running out of ways 23 00:00:58,333 --> 00:01:00,473 to get this man to talk, and that is why 24 00:01:00,498 --> 00:01:04,698 I am asking you, for the 22nd night in a row, 25 00:01:04,898 --> 00:01:09,298 to let Jeremy Brennan know that you need to hear from him. 26 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,167 You want answers. 27 00:01:11,263 --> 00:01:13,607 And he can't hide! 28 00:01:13,631 --> 00:01:15,091 Let's keep up the pressure. 29 00:01:15,174 --> 00:01:17,677 Let's bombard this man with our tweets. 30 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:19,553 Let's demand that he come forward 31 00:01:19,637 --> 00:01:22,348 and answer some questions. 32 00:01:22,373 --> 00:01:25,168 @JeremyBrennanRealty. 33 00:01:25,195 --> 00:01:29,783 34 00:01:32,358 --> 00:01:34,193 Dr. Bull, Mr. Col�n. 35 00:01:34,276 --> 00:01:35,903 I appreciate you braving the pandemic 36 00:01:35,986 --> 00:01:37,035 to meet me this morning. 37 00:01:37,106 --> 00:01:38,406 For the record, I get tested every day. 38 00:01:38,489 --> 00:01:39,865 The room is disinfected every night. 39 00:01:39,949 --> 00:01:41,367 So feel free to leave your masks on 40 00:01:41,450 --> 00:01:43,128 or take them off as you see fit. 41 00:01:43,661 --> 00:01:45,538 You gentlemen know why you're here? 42 00:01:45,621 --> 00:01:47,415 I'm guessing it's because 43 00:01:47,498 --> 00:01:49,250 you have a Madeline McBride problem. 44 00:01:49,333 --> 00:01:51,711 She's being sued by that family of the little girl 45 00:01:51,794 --> 00:01:53,879 who was murdered. And they want her 46 00:01:53,963 --> 00:01:57,299 to stop encouraging her viewers to harass the stepfather 47 00:01:57,383 --> 00:01:59,135 on social media. 48 00:01:59,218 --> 00:02:00,562 Please. 49 00:02:02,602 --> 00:02:05,178 Well, you know... this Madeline McBride issue. 50 00:02:05,609 --> 00:02:07,560 She's picking a fight with someone who, 51 00:02:07,643 --> 00:02:09,145 who might be the guilty party, but also someone 52 00:02:09,228 --> 00:02:11,564 who could certainly be perceived as the victim, 53 00:02:11,647 --> 00:02:14,942 in that his stepdaughter was the person who died. 54 00:02:15,025 --> 00:02:16,777 Can't pay them off... They don't want money. 55 00:02:16,861 --> 00:02:18,779 Can't ask Madeline to stop what she's doing 56 00:02:18,863 --> 00:02:21,115 without doing irreparable harm to her brand, 57 00:02:21,140 --> 00:02:24,335 which, as you know, is the tough-talking, acerbic, 58 00:02:24,535 --> 00:02:26,454 defender of those denied justice. 59 00:02:26,537 --> 00:02:28,080 Yada, yada, yada. Long story short, 60 00:02:28,164 --> 00:02:30,624 we're going to court, whether we want to or not. 61 00:02:30,708 --> 00:02:32,251 So you think the jury 62 00:02:32,334 --> 00:02:35,129 just might side with the family of the dead girl? 63 00:02:36,165 --> 00:02:37,298 Our whole business is based 64 00:02:37,381 --> 00:02:38,966 on the assumption that the First Amendment gives 65 00:02:39,049 --> 00:02:41,302 our air personalities the right to express themselves 66 00:02:41,385 --> 00:02:42,970 without fear of retribution. 67 00:02:43,054 --> 00:02:44,638 And I don't want to give the courts or a jury 68 00:02:44,722 --> 00:02:46,682 any reason to second-guess that. 69 00:02:47,234 --> 00:02:50,004 I'd just love to shut this down sooner rather than later. 70 00:02:50,091 --> 00:02:52,772 If you two were inclined to lead the fight for us... 71 00:02:52,855 --> 00:02:55,316 I'd certainly make it worth your while. 72 00:02:55,399 --> 00:02:57,311 You ever watch that lady's show? 73 00:02:57,402 --> 00:02:59,913 I have caught a little of it here and there. 74 00:02:59,974 --> 00:03:01,864 It's hard to believe that's what the founding fathers 75 00:03:01,947 --> 00:03:04,992 had in mind when they were cooking up the Constitution. 76 00:03:06,670 --> 00:03:08,662 Are you trying to tell me you'd rather not be involved? 77 00:03:08,746 --> 00:03:11,665 Madeline McBride is part of this culture of evisceration 78 00:03:11,749 --> 00:03:14,502 that takes over cable television every night. 79 00:03:14,585 --> 00:03:17,505 Whether it's politics or celebrity stalking 80 00:03:17,588 --> 00:03:19,882 or true crime, it's just... 81 00:03:19,965 --> 00:03:21,188 it's just mean, man. 82 00:03:21,274 --> 00:03:23,109 Well, it might be mean, but Madeline McBride 83 00:03:23,169 --> 00:03:26,055 and WNN are on the right side of this thing legally. 84 00:03:26,138 --> 00:03:27,306 It's the First Amendment. 85 00:03:27,389 --> 00:03:29,109 And the problem is... 86 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,352 if you don't stand up for the people you don't agree with 87 00:03:31,435 --> 00:03:33,562 when they're being silenced, there might not be 88 00:03:33,646 --> 00:03:35,357 a right to free speech 89 00:03:35,457 --> 00:03:37,858 when they come after the people that you do agree with. 90 00:03:38,702 --> 00:03:41,169 Right? No less a figure than George Washington said, 91 00:03:41,264 --> 00:03:43,656 "If freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent 92 00:03:43,739 --> 00:03:46,450 we may be led like sheep to the slaughter." 93 00:03:48,077 --> 00:03:50,704 Your Honor, the law of the state of New York 94 00:03:50,763 --> 00:03:53,886 is very clear... an injunction can only be granted 95 00:03:53,984 --> 00:03:56,011 if there's proof that the party in question 96 00:03:56,104 --> 00:03:57,878 is doing irreparable harm. 97 00:03:58,303 --> 00:04:00,889 Counsel is correct on that point. 98 00:04:00,972 --> 00:04:03,391 Is your client suffering irreparable harm? 99 00:04:03,474 --> 00:04:05,560 Without question, Your Honor. 100 00:04:05,643 --> 00:04:09,230 Jeremy Brennan is suffering indescribable mental anguish 101 00:04:09,314 --> 00:04:12,525 because of Madeline McBride's relentless 102 00:04:12,609 --> 00:04:14,903 and very public attacks. 103 00:04:14,986 --> 00:04:18,563 To be clear, she's accusing my client 104 00:04:18,587 --> 00:04:20,617 of the murder of his stepdaughter 105 00:04:20,700 --> 00:04:23,411 on national television, virtually every night 106 00:04:23,436 --> 00:04:24,896 for over a month now. 107 00:04:25,038 --> 00:04:27,790 All this while he and his wife 108 00:04:27,874 --> 00:04:30,158 are dealing with the anguish 109 00:04:30,266 --> 00:04:32,921 of having lost their only child in... 110 00:04:33,004 --> 00:04:35,590 as gruesome and savage 111 00:04:35,673 --> 00:04:37,759 a rape and murder 112 00:04:37,842 --> 00:04:39,719 as I can ever recall. 113 00:04:39,802 --> 00:04:44,557 She is using her bully pulpit to urge her viewers 114 00:04:44,582 --> 00:04:46,834 to call him out via social media. 115 00:04:46,976 --> 00:04:50,874 My client receives over a thousand tweets a day... 116 00:04:50,898 --> 00:04:52,105 All of them hostile, 117 00:04:52,179 --> 00:04:54,776 many of them threatening... And all of them mention 118 00:04:54,859 --> 00:04:57,403 Ms. McBride and her program by name. 119 00:04:57,487 --> 00:05:00,754 Furthermore, Mr. Brennan is a real estate agent. 120 00:05:00,831 --> 00:05:04,285 His name... is an integral part of his business. 121 00:05:04,369 --> 00:05:07,914 Bus benches with his name and photo 122 00:05:07,997 --> 00:05:10,583 are being defaced with the words "pedophile" 123 00:05:10,667 --> 00:05:12,126 and "killer." 124 00:05:12,210 --> 00:05:14,754 Mr. Brennan can't even go out in public anymore. 125 00:05:14,837 --> 00:05:16,798 And let's start with the fact 126 00:05:16,881 --> 00:05:21,427 that my client has never been arrested or charged 127 00:05:21,511 --> 00:05:24,259 with any crime. None. 128 00:05:24,349 --> 00:05:26,140 Furthermore, there is clear evidence 129 00:05:26,224 --> 00:05:28,810 that someone else is the killer. 130 00:05:28,893 --> 00:05:32,146 There was unidentified DNA and skin cells 131 00:05:32,230 --> 00:05:34,691 present under Kaylee's fingernails. 132 00:05:34,774 --> 00:05:38,545 Something Ms. McBride doesn't even mention on her show. 133 00:05:38,622 --> 00:05:41,281 Your Honor, the DNA found underneath the victim's 134 00:05:41,364 --> 00:05:44,492 fingernails could come from anyone, anywhere. 135 00:05:44,575 --> 00:05:46,452 Possibly even... 136 00:05:46,536 --> 00:05:48,663 one of her friends on the soccer field. 137 00:05:48,746 --> 00:05:50,665 And isn't this ultimately 138 00:05:50,748 --> 00:05:52,583 about the First Amendment? 139 00:05:52,667 --> 00:05:55,837 No less a figure than George Washington declared, 140 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,139 "If freedom of speech is taken away, 141 00:05:59,207 --> 00:06:01,050 "then dumb and silent, 142 00:06:01,134 --> 00:06:04,679 we may be led like sheep to the slaughter." 143 00:06:04,704 --> 00:06:06,957 Mr. Col�n knows good and well 144 00:06:07,098 --> 00:06:08,975 that not all speech 145 00:06:09,058 --> 00:06:10,685 is protected by the First Amendment. 146 00:06:10,768 --> 00:06:13,855 The Supreme Court has been very clear on that. 147 00:06:13,938 --> 00:06:15,857 There's a reason you can't yell fire 148 00:06:15,940 --> 00:06:17,483 in a crowded theater. 149 00:06:17,567 --> 00:06:21,112 Respectfully, Your Honor, you can if there's smoke. 150 00:06:22,405 --> 00:06:24,991 Personally, going forward, I would encourage 151 00:06:25,074 --> 00:06:27,243 Ms. McBride to show a degree of sensitivity 152 00:06:27,327 --> 00:06:30,580 to Mr. Brennan, who, as Mr. Godford points out, 153 00:06:30,663 --> 00:06:35,001 has not even been charged with a crime at this point. 154 00:06:35,084 --> 00:06:37,045 However, I am bound by the State of New York 155 00:06:37,128 --> 00:06:39,714 as well as the United States' Constitution. 156 00:06:39,797 --> 00:06:42,884 Madeline McBride has a guaranteed First Amendment right 157 00:06:42,909 --> 00:06:44,059 to state her opinion. 158 00:06:44,084 --> 00:06:47,883 Therefore, I am denying the request for an injunction. 159 00:06:47,908 --> 00:06:49,184 Court dismissed. 160 00:06:56,352 --> 00:06:58,145 Nice job, gentlemen. 161 00:06:58,483 --> 00:06:59,995 Uh... I told you we were in good hands. 162 00:07:00,074 --> 00:07:03,613 That George Washington quote was very moving. 163 00:07:03,696 --> 00:07:06,699 We barely said hello, but I'm very grateful 164 00:07:06,783 --> 00:07:08,381 for what you did here today. 165 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:09,955 And... 166 00:07:11,037 --> 00:07:13,542 I know that Kaylee is, too. 167 00:07:18,002 --> 00:07:20,046 _ 168 00:07:24,884 --> 00:07:26,260 Hi, hi, sorry! 169 00:07:26,344 --> 00:07:27,762 Forgive me for ambushing you. 170 00:07:27,845 --> 00:07:29,263 It's just that your place was locked, but then... 171 00:07:29,347 --> 00:07:31,099 the guard downstairs recognized me 172 00:07:31,182 --> 00:07:33,434 and he said that I could wait here for you, 173 00:07:33,459 --> 00:07:34,835 so... 174 00:07:35,313 --> 00:07:37,438 What can I do for you, Ms. McBride? 175 00:07:39,580 --> 00:07:42,568 I got a phone call about an hour ago. 176 00:07:42,904 --> 00:07:46,280 Jeremy Brennan, Kaylee Nagle's stepfather, 177 00:07:46,364 --> 00:07:47,617 he... 178 00:07:49,828 --> 00:07:52,578 ...he killed himself last night. 179 00:07:59,669 --> 00:08:04,467 Synced and corrected by -robtor- www.addic7ed.com 180 00:08:13,203 --> 00:08:14,663 Hello? 181 00:08:15,789 --> 00:08:17,875 Yes, this is she. 182 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,086 Sorry, what hospital is this? 183 00:08:22,421 --> 00:08:24,089 Oh, no, no, there must be some mistake. 184 00:08:24,173 --> 00:08:26,884 You're, like, three blocks away from me. 185 00:08:26,967 --> 00:08:29,011 My father lives in Louisiana. 186 00:08:29,094 --> 00:08:31,347 Has for the last 15 years. 187 00:08:33,807 --> 00:08:35,434 Wait, he what? 188 00:08:35,517 --> 00:08:37,227 Tonight? 189 00:08:37,670 --> 00:08:40,230 Day 42... no response 190 00:08:40,314 --> 00:08:42,274 from Jeremy Brennan or his attorneys 191 00:08:42,358 --> 00:08:45,235 regarding his availability or willingness 192 00:08:45,319 --> 00:08:46,862 to appear on this show. 193 00:08:46,945 --> 00:08:49,239 No response from Westchester PD 194 00:08:49,323 --> 00:08:51,575 as to what their plans are moving forward 195 00:08:51,658 --> 00:08:53,452 in regards to the Kaylee Nagle case. 196 00:08:53,594 --> 00:08:55,471 No response from the mayor. 197 00:08:55,496 --> 00:08:57,915 No response from the county supervisor. 198 00:08:57,998 --> 00:09:01,752 And that is why I've applied for a permit 199 00:09:01,835 --> 00:09:03,587 for an organized rally across the street 200 00:09:03,670 --> 00:09:04,922 from the Brennan home. 201 00:09:05,005 --> 00:09:08,217 The scene of Kaylee's death. 202 00:09:08,300 --> 00:09:09,885 And if you live in the tri-state area, 203 00:09:09,968 --> 00:09:12,137 I do hope that you will come down and join me 204 00:09:12,221 --> 00:09:15,599 as we let the world know that we have some questions. 205 00:09:15,682 --> 00:09:17,893 And we want some answers! 206 00:09:17,976 --> 00:09:19,812 Our client concluded her broadcast, 207 00:09:19,895 --> 00:09:22,106 this broadcast, at 9:59. 208 00:09:22,189 --> 00:09:25,776 According to the Brennan cable box, the program was viewed 209 00:09:25,859 --> 00:09:27,820 in both the bedroom and the family room. 210 00:09:27,903 --> 00:09:31,448 Jeremy's widow tells us she watched it alone 211 00:09:31,473 --> 00:09:33,183 and fell asleep shortly thereafter. 212 00:09:33,208 --> 00:09:35,836 Apparently her late husband never made it upstairs to bed. 213 00:09:35,861 --> 00:09:38,781 Sometime between 2:00 and 3:00 a.m., 214 00:09:38,806 --> 00:09:41,017 he entered the garage, climbed into his car, 215 00:09:41,042 --> 00:09:43,002 started the engine... 216 00:09:43,049 --> 00:09:44,801 but never opened the garage door. 217 00:09:44,912 --> 00:09:47,164 Just sat in the front seat and waited for the carbon monoxide 218 00:09:47,189 --> 00:09:50,275 to do its job... no texts, no note, no nothing. 219 00:09:50,718 --> 00:09:53,398 Let's talk law... The other side is gonna have 220 00:09:53,423 --> 00:09:56,468 to prove Jeremy Brennan's suicide was uniquely 221 00:09:56,493 --> 00:09:59,662 a result of Madeline McBride's on-air provocations. 222 00:09:59,687 --> 00:10:02,002 And as disturbing as what we just saw was, 223 00:10:02,354 --> 00:10:05,816 that's gonna be a very, very difficult thing to prove. 224 00:10:05,841 --> 00:10:08,928 And yet, the six people sitting in judgment of all this 225 00:10:08,953 --> 00:10:10,872 may have a hard time separating what Madeline did 226 00:10:10,897 --> 00:10:13,858 from who Madeline is, or who she appears to be. 227 00:10:13,883 --> 00:10:15,760 Taylor, you have those Q scores? 228 00:10:15,863 --> 00:10:16,910 "Q score"? 229 00:10:16,994 --> 00:10:19,817 They measure the likeability and familiarity 230 00:10:19,842 --> 00:10:20,824 of a celebrity. 231 00:10:20,850 --> 00:10:24,319 Madeline McBride has an extraordinarily high Q score, actually. 232 00:10:24,378 --> 00:10:26,795 Over 80% of adults who are between the ages 233 00:10:26,879 --> 00:10:28,797 of 18 and 49 know who she is. 234 00:10:28,881 --> 00:10:31,008 Additionally, two out of three of those 80% 235 00:10:31,091 --> 00:10:33,469 admit to watching her at least three times a month. 236 00:10:33,494 --> 00:10:35,288 Okay. She's popular. We knew that. 237 00:10:35,315 --> 00:10:36,743 Here's the fascinating part. 238 00:10:36,768 --> 00:10:39,467 Two-thirds of that subset that says they watch her, 239 00:10:39,492 --> 00:10:41,285 admit they don't like her. 240 00:10:41,310 --> 00:10:44,354 They find her shrill, hysterical, judgmental, unfair. 241 00:10:44,563 --> 00:10:47,524 Most repeated comment: "She's not a nice person." 242 00:10:47,774 --> 00:10:49,860 And therein lies the problem. 243 00:10:49,885 --> 00:10:52,680 That is our potential jury pool, which is why 244 00:10:52,705 --> 00:10:54,415 we have to make sure this case doesn't devolve 245 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,608 into a referendum on our client's personality. 246 00:10:56,867 --> 00:10:59,661 Now, the other side's gonna have their hands full 247 00:10:59,686 --> 00:11:01,521 trying to prove causation, which I'm fairly sure 248 00:11:01,546 --> 00:11:04,091 we will be able to defend against, but... 249 00:11:04,291 --> 00:11:07,461 if this case becomes about what that jury thinks 250 00:11:07,486 --> 00:11:12,030 about McBride's behavior as a TV personality, we will lose. 251 00:11:12,314 --> 00:11:14,191 We can't play defense and win. 252 00:11:14,801 --> 00:11:17,243 We have to make sure this jury understands 253 00:11:17,268 --> 00:11:20,955 this is much bigger than a cable news TV show. 254 00:11:32,819 --> 00:11:35,489 This better be important. 255 00:11:38,932 --> 00:11:41,411 What can I do for you? 256 00:11:41,495 --> 00:11:45,082 Any progress in the Madeline McBride of it all? 257 00:11:45,165 --> 00:11:46,750 Still in the midst. 258 00:11:46,833 --> 00:11:50,360 Actually, I had a startling revelation a little while ago. 259 00:11:50,777 --> 00:11:52,362 Our client... 260 00:11:52,592 --> 00:11:55,137 is the Hunchback of Notre Dame. 261 00:11:55,467 --> 00:11:57,052 People see her... 262 00:11:57,135 --> 00:12:00,264 They're appalled, but they're also fascinated. 263 00:12:00,289 --> 00:12:02,208 Same way they feel about the Hunchback. 264 00:12:02,233 --> 00:12:03,440 They can't look away. 265 00:12:03,465 --> 00:12:06,042 So, what the novel does, what the movie does 266 00:12:06,452 --> 00:12:08,537 is it humanizes this person 267 00:12:08,562 --> 00:12:10,690 that people find so frightening, so terrifying. 268 00:12:10,715 --> 00:12:13,258 It makes them care about him. 269 00:12:13,967 --> 00:12:16,655 That's what we need to do with Madeline. 270 00:12:16,928 --> 00:12:18,782 Any idea how? 271 00:12:18,865 --> 00:12:20,117 Not a clue. 272 00:12:20,431 --> 00:12:21,952 Something will come to me. 273 00:12:21,977 --> 00:12:24,730 But I suspect that is not why you came to my office. 274 00:12:24,930 --> 00:12:25,889 Actually, I was hoping 275 00:12:25,914 --> 00:12:29,084 to get a couple of minutes with the other Dr. Bull. 276 00:12:29,167 --> 00:12:31,211 The psychologist. 277 00:12:37,824 --> 00:12:39,636 What's going on? 278 00:12:40,201 --> 00:12:42,097 My father passed away last night. 279 00:12:42,180 --> 00:12:43,371 COVID. 280 00:12:44,224 --> 00:12:46,643 - I'm so sorry. - No, it's fine. 281 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:48,711 I'm fine. 282 00:12:48,822 --> 00:12:50,907 Didn't even know he was sick. 283 00:12:53,609 --> 00:12:56,801 Haven't seen or spoken with him in almost 15 years. 284 00:12:58,344 --> 00:13:01,116 I thought he was in New Orleans this whole time. 285 00:13:01,199 --> 00:13:04,494 Turns out he was living four subway stops away from me. 286 00:13:05,643 --> 00:13:07,998 Is that what you wanted to talk to me about? 287 00:13:08,354 --> 00:13:10,167 No. No. 288 00:13:10,250 --> 00:13:12,919 Um, I wanted to talk about me. 289 00:13:15,422 --> 00:13:18,550 So, I got the call at 3:00 in the morning. 290 00:13:18,634 --> 00:13:21,451 Hung up, went straight to sleep. 291 00:13:21,830 --> 00:13:23,582 Didn't cry. 292 00:13:23,805 --> 00:13:25,515 Just slept. 293 00:13:25,599 --> 00:13:28,477 Then I got up, came to work. 294 00:13:28,773 --> 00:13:31,150 Still haven't cried. 295 00:13:34,191 --> 00:13:35,942 Is that crazy? 296 00:13:36,257 --> 00:13:38,195 Well, there's a lot I don't know, 297 00:13:38,220 --> 00:13:40,222 but my suspicion is... 298 00:13:40,364 --> 00:13:43,992 you're not reacting yet to what happened. 299 00:13:44,641 --> 00:13:47,496 And there's two reasons. One, you're in shock. 300 00:13:47,521 --> 00:13:51,775 And two, your father already left you 15 years ago. 301 00:13:51,917 --> 00:13:55,170 So, I suspect you've been mourning him 302 00:13:55,195 --> 00:13:57,865 on and off for years. 303 00:14:01,301 --> 00:14:03,512 That makes sense. 304 00:14:04,471 --> 00:14:06,765 Thank you, Dr. Bull. 305 00:14:10,352 --> 00:14:11,876 Danny? 306 00:14:13,522 --> 00:14:15,922 Sooner or later, you will cry. 307 00:14:19,152 --> 00:14:20,510 I don't know. 308 00:14:21,321 --> 00:14:23,221 He is my father. 309 00:14:23,824 --> 00:14:27,703 And it's not like I don't have any good memories. 310 00:14:29,496 --> 00:14:31,748 But in a lot of ways, he was a really bad guy. 311 00:14:31,832 --> 00:14:34,584 I'm just telling you, it could be tomorrow, 312 00:14:34,668 --> 00:14:36,336 could be years from now. 313 00:14:36,361 --> 00:14:38,237 You'll be walking down the street, 314 00:14:38,380 --> 00:14:41,341 and suddenly, it hits you. 315 00:14:42,884 --> 00:14:45,053 I just want you to know it's coming. 316 00:14:45,137 --> 00:14:46,763 Okay. 317 00:14:47,453 --> 00:14:49,433 I've been warned. 318 00:14:54,062 --> 00:14:57,846 And when did the two of you become 319 00:14:57,870 --> 00:15:01,111 aware that Madeline McBride was implicating your husband 320 00:15:01,194 --> 00:15:04,614 in the death of your child on national television? 321 00:15:04,698 --> 00:15:07,701 Were you regular viewers of her program? 322 00:15:07,784 --> 00:15:10,787 No, I had never seen it before, I'd-I'd never heard of her. 323 00:15:10,871 --> 00:15:14,958 Um, I'm guessing the first time she mentioned it, 324 00:15:15,041 --> 00:15:17,961 it was a Friday night, because I remember 325 00:15:18,044 --> 00:15:21,798 it was a Saturday morning when we first got the tweets. 326 00:15:21,882 --> 00:15:24,259 Um, my husband 327 00:15:24,284 --> 00:15:26,245 - had his own Twitter account for, - _ 328 00:15:26,386 --> 00:15:28,305 uh, for his work. 329 00:15:28,845 --> 00:15:31,815 And he woke me up to show me the... 330 00:15:31,878 --> 00:15:33,518 ugliest messages. 331 00:15:33,602 --> 00:15:36,730 Um, and as I said, it was a Saturday morning, 332 00:15:37,211 --> 00:15:38,482 which are always the hardest, 333 00:15:38,507 --> 00:15:40,884 because Saturdays were Kaylee's days. 334 00:15:41,026 --> 00:15:44,510 It was soccer and sleepovers, and then... 335 00:15:45,238 --> 00:15:47,291 there were just these 336 00:15:47,330 --> 00:15:51,103 long days that we had to fill by ourselves. 337 00:15:51,739 --> 00:15:55,040 And how did your life change 338 00:15:55,123 --> 00:15:57,834 as Madeline McBride began 339 00:15:57,918 --> 00:16:01,296 her nightly campaign against your husband? 340 00:16:01,379 --> 00:16:03,840 After she insinuated on national television 341 00:16:03,924 --> 00:16:08,762 that Kaylee's stepfather was a pedophile and a killer? 342 00:16:08,845 --> 00:16:11,245 My husband was vilified. 343 00:16:13,206 --> 00:16:15,458 At the grocery store, 344 00:16:15,769 --> 00:16:18,522 at his office, everywhere he went. 345 00:16:18,605 --> 00:16:20,398 They would call him names, 346 00:16:20,482 --> 00:16:22,526 tell him to stop hiding. 347 00:16:22,551 --> 00:16:23,580 And... 348 00:16:23,605 --> 00:16:25,954 did you and Mr. Brennan ever feel 349 00:16:25,979 --> 00:16:29,358 that you were in any real danger because of Ms. McBride? 350 00:16:29,383 --> 00:16:31,468 We did, and we were. 351 00:16:32,072 --> 00:16:34,658 In fact, the night before Jeremy took his own life, 352 00:16:34,683 --> 00:16:37,102 someone threw a brick through our front window. 353 00:16:37,457 --> 00:16:39,918 Your Honor, we would like to introduce 354 00:16:39,943 --> 00:16:42,821 into evidence the aforementioned brick 355 00:16:42,963 --> 00:16:45,423 that came through the Brennans' window. 356 00:16:45,448 --> 00:16:46,866 Objection, Your Honor. 357 00:16:46,891 --> 00:16:49,978 A brick thrown by an unknown perpetrator is not relevant 358 00:16:50,003 --> 00:16:52,172 to statements made by Ms. McBride, 359 00:16:52,197 --> 00:16:55,259 and any attempt to connect the two is speculative at best. 360 00:16:55,295 --> 00:16:57,769 Actually, the two are very much connected, 361 00:16:57,794 --> 00:16:59,713 very much related, Your Honor. 362 00:17:00,856 --> 00:17:02,899 Sorry, Counselor. 363 00:17:02,983 --> 00:17:05,360 I think we need to see where this goes. 364 00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:08,113 Overruled. 365 00:17:08,738 --> 00:17:11,575 The brick that you're holding... 366 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:13,685 There's some writing on it? 367 00:17:14,327 --> 00:17:18,206 Would you please read what it says? 368 00:17:18,832 --> 00:17:21,209 It says, "Stop Hiding Jeremy." 369 00:17:21,234 --> 00:17:23,569 And are you familiar with that expression? 370 00:17:23,712 --> 00:17:25,797 I certainly am. 371 00:17:26,112 --> 00:17:28,425 "StopHidingJeremy" was the hashtag 372 00:17:28,450 --> 00:17:32,493 McBride told her audience to tweet to Jeremy every night. 373 00:17:36,759 --> 00:17:38,177 You okay? 374 00:17:38,202 --> 00:17:39,369 What do you mean? 375 00:17:39,394 --> 00:17:41,688 Well, that had to be hard to listen to in there. 376 00:17:41,713 --> 00:17:43,754 Oh. Well, I'm fine. 377 00:17:44,274 --> 00:17:47,819 I know, and I think the jury sees, 378 00:17:47,844 --> 00:17:50,054 that this is very difficult for her. 379 00:17:50,079 --> 00:17:52,582 She invited him into her house. 380 00:17:52,607 --> 00:17:54,151 She invited him into her life. 381 00:17:54,222 --> 00:17:57,058 And now her daughter is dead, so she's lashing out at me. 382 00:17:57,083 --> 00:17:59,596 It's-it's kind of classic textbook. 383 00:17:59,638 --> 00:18:01,348 Don't you think? 384 00:18:01,373 --> 00:18:04,064 Oh. Do you disagree? 385 00:18:04,210 --> 00:18:07,005 Well, for what it's worth, that's not what I heard. 386 00:18:07,987 --> 00:18:10,133 I heard her communicate... 387 00:18:10,158 --> 00:18:12,361 And rather effectively, I might add... 388 00:18:12,386 --> 00:18:15,020 The impact your show had on her life. 389 00:18:15,045 --> 00:18:17,840 And, by extension, her late husband's life. 390 00:18:18,099 --> 00:18:20,166 That is what they heard. 391 00:18:21,353 --> 00:18:24,064 Let's not confuse things, Madeline. 392 00:18:24,147 --> 00:18:27,862 Jury's not here to litigate her late husband's guilt. 393 00:18:27,887 --> 00:18:29,472 They're here to litigate yours. 394 00:18:30,134 --> 00:18:32,656 I'm guilty of nothing. 395 00:18:32,681 --> 00:18:34,099 I've killed no one. 396 00:18:34,124 --> 00:18:36,502 All I've done is exercise my First Amendment rights, 397 00:18:36,527 --> 00:18:39,734 and, um, last time I checked, that's not a crime. 398 00:18:39,767 --> 00:18:43,600 So, don't you confuse things. 399 00:18:43,917 --> 00:18:47,003 And don't forget who you're here to defend. 400 00:18:52,172 --> 00:18:54,758 Dr. Soto, will you please tell the court 401 00:18:54,841 --> 00:18:56,635 what it is you do? 402 00:18:56,718 --> 00:18:58,303 I'm a licensed psychiatrist 403 00:18:58,387 --> 00:18:59,389 in the state of New York 404 00:18:59,481 --> 00:19:01,431 in private practice in Westchester County, 405 00:19:01,515 --> 00:19:04,267 and until his death, I saw Jeremy Brennan once a week 406 00:19:04,292 --> 00:19:06,836 for the past... just about four years. 407 00:19:06,978 --> 00:19:09,231 And can you give the court some idea 408 00:19:09,314 --> 00:19:11,650 why you were seeing the late Mr. Brennan 409 00:19:11,733 --> 00:19:13,110 these past four years? 410 00:19:13,193 --> 00:19:15,278 Well, without going into too much detail, 411 00:19:15,362 --> 00:19:18,573 what brought Mr. Brennan into my office was his struggle 412 00:19:18,657 --> 00:19:21,419 with issues involving generalized anxiety. 413 00:19:21,489 --> 00:19:23,969 The stresses involved with running your own business. 414 00:19:24,087 --> 00:19:25,455 Pretty run-of-the-mill stuff. 415 00:19:25,870 --> 00:19:28,917 And can you talk about the impact 416 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:30,836 Kaylee's death had on him? 417 00:19:31,279 --> 00:19:34,548 He was, uh, shattered. 418 00:19:34,631 --> 00:19:36,239 Destroyed. 419 00:19:36,307 --> 00:19:39,970 Uh, wanted to be this strong anchor for his wife, 420 00:19:39,995 --> 00:19:41,580 who obviously was devastated, 421 00:19:41,605 --> 00:19:43,816 and felt ashamed that he couldn't do it. 422 00:19:44,015 --> 00:19:45,475 Couldn't function. 423 00:19:45,559 --> 00:19:49,146 And then there was the whole issue of responsibility. 424 00:19:49,229 --> 00:19:51,648 Tracy was at work, he was at home. 425 00:19:52,258 --> 00:19:54,693 The way he explained it to me was, he could have 426 00:19:54,718 --> 00:19:56,595 just as easily been there, been at the house, 427 00:19:56,620 --> 00:19:58,080 maybe stopped it from happening. 428 00:19:58,105 --> 00:20:00,023 But he was riding his bike. 429 00:20:00,282 --> 00:20:03,618 At one of our last sessions, he told me 430 00:20:03,643 --> 00:20:05,269 it was an incredibly beautiful ride. 431 00:20:05,412 --> 00:20:08,065 And at the time, it gave him enormous pleasure. 432 00:20:08,906 --> 00:20:10,407 And he really had trouble understanding 433 00:20:10,432 --> 00:20:13,310 how he could experience so much pleasure 434 00:20:13,335 --> 00:20:17,227 when someone he loved so deeply was experiencing so much horror. 435 00:20:17,288 --> 00:20:19,575 Your Honor, we mean no disrespect, 436 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,429 but it's hard to see the relevance 437 00:20:21,454 --> 00:20:22,873 of any of this testimony, 438 00:20:23,263 --> 00:20:25,515 what bearing it has on the case at hand. 439 00:20:25,599 --> 00:20:27,017 Your Honor, we believe it's essential 440 00:20:27,100 --> 00:20:30,020 for the jury to understand Mr. Brennan's state of mind 441 00:20:30,103 --> 00:20:32,063 before Ms. McBride turned him 442 00:20:32,147 --> 00:20:34,524 into the focus of her broadcasts, 443 00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:38,428 so they may better understand the impact she had on him. 444 00:20:38,570 --> 00:20:40,489 I agree, 445 00:20:40,572 --> 00:20:42,908 but I feel confident that you've done that. 446 00:20:42,991 --> 00:20:45,729 If we could please move it along. 447 00:20:45,753 --> 00:20:47,497 Beg the court's pardon. 448 00:20:47,589 --> 00:20:49,915 If I could just ask one last question... 449 00:20:49,998 --> 00:20:51,666 - Your Honor - about the days before 450 00:20:51,750 --> 00:20:55,712 Ms. McBride made him the centerpiece of her broadcasts? 451 00:20:56,072 --> 00:20:57,839 One. 452 00:20:57,923 --> 00:20:59,382 But keep it brief. 453 00:20:59,466 --> 00:21:01,510 During that period, 454 00:21:01,593 --> 00:21:04,554 immediately after Kaylee's death 455 00:21:04,638 --> 00:21:07,724 but before Ms. McBride made him topic number one 456 00:21:07,807 --> 00:21:12,687 on her television show, did he seem at all to you suicidal? 457 00:21:12,771 --> 00:21:14,272 As his doctor, 458 00:21:14,356 --> 00:21:17,176 were you ever really concerned about his safety? 459 00:21:17,309 --> 00:21:18,268 No. 460 00:21:18,886 --> 00:21:21,321 He was depressed. He was angry. 461 00:21:21,346 --> 00:21:23,307 He couldn't sleep or eat. 462 00:21:23,448 --> 00:21:25,075 But he was also very clear 463 00:21:25,100 --> 00:21:26,977 that he had to be there for his wife. 464 00:21:27,118 --> 00:21:31,790 I see. And after he was implicated by Ms. McBride? 465 00:21:31,873 --> 00:21:33,250 That was the first time I saw 466 00:21:33,275 --> 00:21:35,819 anything even resembling suicidal ideation. 467 00:21:36,362 --> 00:21:39,047 She was on television every night 468 00:21:39,130 --> 00:21:40,757 implying awful things. 469 00:21:41,283 --> 00:21:42,884 The unrelenting tweets. 470 00:21:42,968 --> 00:21:45,136 The phone calls in the middle of the night. 471 00:21:45,220 --> 00:21:46,930 The brick through the window. 472 00:21:47,013 --> 00:21:50,767 This rally she wanted to have across from his house. 473 00:21:51,085 --> 00:21:54,080 I wish I hadn't been so timid about it. 474 00:21:54,380 --> 00:21:55,939 I wish I really had pushed 475 00:21:56,022 --> 00:21:57,758 to have him hospitalized. 476 00:21:58,858 --> 00:22:01,236 Nothing further, Your Honor. 477 00:22:03,582 --> 00:22:05,582 _ 478 00:22:05,683 --> 00:22:07,643 Hello, Dr. Soto. 479 00:22:08,577 --> 00:22:10,062 So... 480 00:22:10,662 --> 00:22:14,291 Are you familiar with the concept of correlation 481 00:22:14,316 --> 00:22:17,069 and how it's often confused with causation? 482 00:22:17,210 --> 00:22:19,129 I'm familiar with it, yes. 483 00:22:19,212 --> 00:22:20,589 That even if there is 484 00:22:20,614 --> 00:22:23,408 a correlation between Ms. McBride's actions 485 00:22:23,550 --> 00:22:26,469 and Jeremy Brennan's depression and mental distress, 486 00:22:26,924 --> 00:22:29,264 well, that doesn't prove causation. 487 00:22:29,582 --> 00:22:32,684 No one knows for sure why Jeremy Brennan 488 00:22:32,767 --> 00:22:34,853 did what he did. 489 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:39,649 You don't know why Mr. Brennan did what he did, do you? 490 00:22:43,236 --> 00:22:45,352 The witness will answer the question, please. 491 00:22:45,376 --> 00:22:48,450 Oh, that's okay, Your Honor. That's all right. 492 00:22:48,533 --> 00:22:50,827 I-I think the jury gets it. 493 00:22:51,270 --> 00:22:55,123 They know if the doctor, uh, was certain about any of this, 494 00:22:55,206 --> 00:22:58,627 she would have absolutely had Mr. Brennan hospitalized. 495 00:22:58,710 --> 00:23:00,670 A-And not just thought about it. 496 00:23:00,754 --> 00:23:03,840 You know, like, done it. Made it happen. 497 00:23:03,923 --> 00:23:07,135 But she wasn't certain. 498 00:23:07,591 --> 00:23:09,260 Were you? 499 00:23:09,888 --> 00:23:11,240 No. 500 00:23:11,326 --> 00:23:15,727 Okay, so, let's get back to correlation and causation. 501 00:23:15,810 --> 00:23:18,313 To the best of your knowledge, did my client 502 00:23:18,396 --> 00:23:21,941 tell Jeremy Brennan to get on social media? 503 00:23:22,384 --> 00:23:23,902 No, not that I'm aware of. 504 00:23:23,985 --> 00:23:25,612 And, for that matter, did my client 505 00:23:25,695 --> 00:23:29,366 ever force Jeremy Brennan to watch her TV show? 506 00:23:29,683 --> 00:23:32,661 No, I-I can't imagine she did. 507 00:23:32,978 --> 00:23:35,205 I can't imagine that, either. 508 00:23:35,288 --> 00:23:36,667 Thank you. 509 00:23:36,745 --> 00:23:38,708 No further questions, Your Honor. 510 00:23:38,792 --> 00:23:40,960 I need you to answer the door, Marissa. 511 00:23:41,044 --> 00:23:42,837 What? Answer the door? What are you talking about? 512 00:23:42,921 --> 00:23:44,172 What door? 513 00:23:44,255 --> 00:23:46,424 Answer the door, Marissa. 514 00:23:47,926 --> 00:23:49,620 Doubt has arrived. 515 00:23:53,225 --> 00:23:56,061 Morning. Um, any way we could have a chat? 516 00:23:56,144 --> 00:23:57,521 Sure. 517 00:23:57,604 --> 00:23:59,523 What's up? 518 00:23:59,606 --> 00:24:02,192 Um, I need a favor. 519 00:24:02,883 --> 00:24:04,945 My father passed away earlier this week. 520 00:24:05,028 --> 00:24:07,614 Oh, God, I... Danny, I'm so sorry. 521 00:24:07,698 --> 00:24:09,575 Were you close? 522 00:24:09,658 --> 00:24:11,827 I barely knew him. 523 00:24:13,477 --> 00:24:16,313 Well, that's not true. I knew him. 524 00:24:18,041 --> 00:24:19,358 And I loved him. 525 00:24:20,192 --> 00:24:22,129 But he left us... Uh, my mom and me... 526 00:24:22,212 --> 00:24:24,089 Right before I went into the police academy. 527 00:24:24,114 --> 00:24:27,660 No goodbye. Nothing. Just, uh, came home from school one day, 528 00:24:27,801 --> 00:24:29,660 and he was... he was gone. 529 00:24:30,345 --> 00:24:32,681 Took off with some woman. 530 00:24:34,456 --> 00:24:36,768 I haven't spoken to him in 15 years. 531 00:24:36,852 --> 00:24:38,770 So the point is, um, 532 00:24:39,295 --> 00:24:41,407 I, uh, I hired a-a company 533 00:24:41,491 --> 00:24:44,276 to go into his apartment and box up all his things. 534 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,695 Get them out of there so the, uh, the landlord 535 00:24:46,778 --> 00:24:48,280 can get the place ready for a new tenant. 536 00:24:49,405 --> 00:24:51,742 Anyway, um, they just called, 537 00:24:51,825 --> 00:24:55,787 and apparently, it's about 20-some boxes. 538 00:24:56,145 --> 00:24:58,332 And I just don't have enough room 539 00:24:58,415 --> 00:25:01,335 for all that stuff in my tiny apartment, so... 540 00:25:01,418 --> 00:25:04,254 Is there any way that I could store them here, 541 00:25:04,279 --> 00:25:06,072 out of the way? 542 00:25:08,216 --> 00:25:10,928 - Judge is on his way out. - We're coming. 543 00:25:11,535 --> 00:25:14,013 After the other side questions me, 544 00:25:14,087 --> 00:25:16,266 you get to question me, too, right? 545 00:25:16,350 --> 00:25:17,935 Yes. That's how it works. 546 00:25:18,018 --> 00:25:19,478 Okay. For your last question, 547 00:25:19,561 --> 00:25:22,481 just make sure you ask me how I got into all of this. 548 00:25:22,564 --> 00:25:25,359 What makes me care so deeply for victims of crime. 549 00:25:25,442 --> 00:25:29,261 What makes me care so deeply for people like Kaylee. 550 00:25:30,137 --> 00:25:32,032 Hmm? 551 00:25:35,225 --> 00:25:37,245 No evidence of forced entry. 552 00:25:37,329 --> 00:25:40,123 No real alibi for the time period 553 00:25:40,207 --> 00:25:43,001 during which Kaylee was sexually assaulted and murdered. 554 00:25:43,085 --> 00:25:46,004 I mean, he claimed he went on a bike ride, 555 00:25:46,088 --> 00:25:47,881 but no one actually saw him. 556 00:25:47,906 --> 00:25:49,824 So, he just seemed 557 00:25:49,967 --> 00:25:52,844 like someone that you would want to get answers from. 558 00:25:53,535 --> 00:25:56,515 You know what they say about walking like a duck. 559 00:25:57,122 --> 00:25:58,725 Any more questions 560 00:25:58,809 --> 00:25:59,893 for this witness, Counselor? 561 00:25:59,977 --> 00:26:02,813 Yes, Your Honor. Just one more. 562 00:26:03,605 --> 00:26:04,964 So, 563 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,484 Ms. McBride, 564 00:26:07,716 --> 00:26:09,319 we've all 565 00:26:09,403 --> 00:26:10,862 seen you on television. 566 00:26:10,946 --> 00:26:12,930 We've all seen you in action. 567 00:26:13,782 --> 00:26:16,475 So, how did you come to this? 568 00:26:17,327 --> 00:26:21,331 How did you come to be a champion of justice? 569 00:26:21,356 --> 00:26:24,024 A champion of victims like Kaylee? 570 00:26:28,130 --> 00:26:30,698 Like a lot of things in life... 571 00:26:32,634 --> 00:26:34,970 ...you never see it coming. 572 00:26:36,555 --> 00:26:38,323 20 years ago, 573 00:26:38,998 --> 00:26:40,392 I was married. 574 00:26:40,417 --> 00:26:42,836 I was living in Indiana. 575 00:26:42,861 --> 00:26:44,613 It was, like... 576 00:26:44,813 --> 00:26:48,900 nine or ten weeks after 9/11. 577 00:26:49,258 --> 00:26:51,611 It was Black Friday. 578 00:26:51,695 --> 00:26:54,197 I was doing my patriotic duty 579 00:26:54,222 --> 00:26:56,683 by getting some early Christmas shopping done. 580 00:26:56,708 --> 00:26:58,559 And my three-year-old, 581 00:26:59,935 --> 00:27:01,353 David... 582 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,792 He was at that in-between age. 583 00:27:05,876 --> 00:27:09,087 You know, they want to be carried, 584 00:27:09,171 --> 00:27:11,923 and, oh, no, they want to walk on their own 585 00:27:12,007 --> 00:27:13,300 or they want to hold your hand. 586 00:27:13,383 --> 00:27:16,136 It's like, no, no, they want to be free. 587 00:27:17,679 --> 00:27:20,432 Anyway, my husband at the time 588 00:27:20,515 --> 00:27:22,624 was in some other part of the mall. 589 00:27:23,375 --> 00:27:27,272 And I saw out of the corner of my eye 590 00:27:27,671 --> 00:27:33,403 this robot pet that was so popular that year. 591 00:27:33,487 --> 00:27:36,656 I mean, it was sold out everywhere. 592 00:27:36,740 --> 00:27:39,868 And then there it was. 593 00:27:40,434 --> 00:27:43,520 Magically, right in front of me. 594 00:27:44,581 --> 00:27:47,459 So, I grabbed David's hand, 595 00:27:47,484 --> 00:27:50,487 and we walked over to where they were. 596 00:27:52,214 --> 00:27:55,926 I remember that the aisle 597 00:27:56,009 --> 00:28:00,472 was so very crowded. 598 00:28:00,555 --> 00:28:03,767 People and shopping carts 599 00:28:03,850 --> 00:28:06,478 and winter clothes. 600 00:28:07,938 --> 00:28:10,941 It seems so stupid now. 601 00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:14,861 Anyway... 602 00:28:16,905 --> 00:28:18,490 I grabbed the toy, 603 00:28:18,573 --> 00:28:20,826 and then I realized that I... 604 00:28:20,909 --> 00:28:23,370 I didn't want David to see it. 605 00:28:23,453 --> 00:28:25,372 I didn't want him to know 606 00:28:25,455 --> 00:28:29,835 that Mommy was getting him the toy and not Santa. 607 00:28:30,275 --> 00:28:33,505 So I switched hands for a second. 608 00:28:33,821 --> 00:28:35,507 And... 609 00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:37,843 And then I looked down. 610 00:28:43,306 --> 00:28:45,559 He wasn't there. 611 00:28:46,685 --> 00:28:49,563 You can figure out the rest. 612 00:28:49,646 --> 00:28:51,898 It was, like, me, my husband, 613 00:28:51,923 --> 00:28:56,177 the police... We were all over that mall 614 00:28:56,718 --> 00:28:58,905 until they locked the doors 615 00:28:59,255 --> 00:29:01,473 and made us leave. 616 00:29:05,078 --> 00:29:07,354 He was just... 617 00:29:09,499 --> 00:29:10,816 ...gone. 618 00:29:12,836 --> 00:29:14,403 I'm so sorry. 619 00:29:16,238 --> 00:29:18,258 I was desperate, 620 00:29:18,699 --> 00:29:20,385 so... 621 00:29:20,909 --> 00:29:22,304 I went to the media. 622 00:29:22,387 --> 00:29:24,681 I didn't even know what the media was. 623 00:29:24,764 --> 00:29:26,081 But... 624 00:29:27,082 --> 00:29:30,562 I wanted David's picture 625 00:29:30,587 --> 00:29:33,630 and his name everywhere. 626 00:29:34,274 --> 00:29:39,029 You know, just in case somebody saw him. 627 00:29:39,821 --> 00:29:42,931 And I-I wouldn't let up. 628 00:29:43,825 --> 00:29:46,661 Not even after my husband 629 00:29:46,686 --> 00:29:49,188 stopped speaking to me. 630 00:29:50,999 --> 00:29:53,627 Not even after he left me. 631 00:29:53,710 --> 00:29:54,985 But... 632 00:29:58,006 --> 00:30:02,010 I just couldn't stop. 633 00:30:05,889 --> 00:30:07,664 My son's... 634 00:30:08,183 --> 00:30:12,479 body washed up on the shore of the Patoka Lake 635 00:30:12,794 --> 00:30:14,606 a few weeks later. 636 00:30:14,631 --> 00:30:16,298 And... 637 00:30:16,858 --> 00:30:20,445 I guess everyone figured 638 00:30:20,528 --> 00:30:22,614 that was that. 639 00:30:25,575 --> 00:30:27,434 But not for me. 640 00:30:28,370 --> 00:30:32,165 I went everywhere there was a microphone. 641 00:30:32,249 --> 00:30:34,834 Uh, radio stations. 642 00:30:34,918 --> 00:30:36,169 Colleges. 643 00:30:36,253 --> 00:30:40,257 I just... I kept pushing 644 00:30:40,340 --> 00:30:44,010 because I wanted the scalp 645 00:30:44,094 --> 00:30:46,703 of the man who kidnapped 646 00:30:47,889 --> 00:30:50,976 my son and murdered him. 647 00:30:52,811 --> 00:30:54,604 And then, finally... 648 00:30:57,107 --> 00:30:59,401 I got it. 649 00:31:03,613 --> 00:31:05,407 The police found him. 650 00:31:05,490 --> 00:31:08,159 'Cause, you know, they never dared stop looking 651 00:31:08,243 --> 00:31:11,997 'cause I was screaming from the rooftops. 652 00:31:14,791 --> 00:31:17,585 I got justice. 653 00:31:21,881 --> 00:31:24,342 I speak for the dead. 654 00:31:26,713 --> 00:31:28,829 Like my son. 655 00:31:34,102 --> 00:31:36,521 And like Kaylee. 656 00:31:39,899 --> 00:31:41,484 Told you I knew what I was doing. 657 00:31:41,568 --> 00:31:43,528 That was quite a piece of testimony. 658 00:31:43,611 --> 00:31:45,322 Any of it true? 659 00:31:46,245 --> 00:31:48,706 Yeah, step on in. Close the door? 660 00:31:51,494 --> 00:31:55,790 I'm here to inform you that WNN is withdrawing from the case. 661 00:31:55,874 --> 00:31:57,239 Excuse me? 662 00:31:57,264 --> 00:31:59,015 Also that our lawyers are on the phone with your lawyers 663 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:00,310 negotiating the dissolution 664 00:32:00,335 --> 00:32:01,586 of your contract with our network. 665 00:32:01,611 --> 00:32:03,905 As of now, you are off the air, Madeline. 666 00:32:04,281 --> 00:32:06,343 What's going on? 667 00:32:06,368 --> 00:32:07,995 The man who killed Kaylee? 668 00:32:08,136 --> 00:32:09,554 They caught him about an hour ago. 669 00:32:09,637 --> 00:32:11,056 Confessed to everything. 670 00:32:11,139 --> 00:32:12,557 What are you talking about? 671 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,638 The man who killed Kaylee was her stepfather. 672 00:32:14,663 --> 00:32:16,248 No, he wasn't. 673 00:32:16,770 --> 00:32:19,439 Look, the word is starting to get out, and people are starting 674 00:32:19,464 --> 00:32:20,716 to gather in front of the courthouse. 675 00:32:20,857 --> 00:32:22,108 They're looking for you. 676 00:32:22,192 --> 00:32:23,582 So I'd arrange for some extra security 677 00:32:23,678 --> 00:32:25,844 to get her out of here? Yeah? 678 00:32:31,809 --> 00:32:33,394 The killer was a man named Wayne Dixon. 679 00:32:34,117 --> 00:32:35,368 He was working a construction job 680 00:32:35,452 --> 00:32:37,370 down the street from the Brennan home. 681 00:32:37,454 --> 00:32:41,082 Dixon had apparently targeted Kaylee a few weeks earlier. 682 00:32:41,166 --> 00:32:42,417 He was watching the house 683 00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:44,210 and saw Jeremy ride away on his bike. 684 00:32:44,294 --> 00:32:46,498 Dixon claims he approached the house, 685 00:32:46,523 --> 00:32:48,316 said he was a friend of Kaylee's dad, 686 00:32:48,594 --> 00:32:50,177 and she let him in, 687 00:32:50,202 --> 00:32:52,761 which is why there is no evidence of forced entry. 688 00:32:53,914 --> 00:32:56,931 Is there anything in there about how the police knew 689 00:32:57,015 --> 00:32:58,433 to question Dixon in the first place? 690 00:32:58,516 --> 00:33:00,352 How did he come to their attention? 691 00:33:00,435 --> 00:33:02,937 Well, according to this, they got a tip. 692 00:33:03,021 --> 00:33:05,565 Dixon's girlfriend. Why? 693 00:33:06,179 --> 00:33:07,904 We're in court at 11:00. 694 00:33:07,988 --> 00:33:10,574 See if you can find the girlfriend. 695 00:33:10,657 --> 00:33:12,909 See if you can get her on the phone with me. 696 00:33:13,308 --> 00:33:15,579 Ms. James, stacked all the boxes downstairs 697 00:33:15,662 --> 00:33:16,913 in that courtroom like you told me. 698 00:33:16,997 --> 00:33:18,790 Thanks so much for all your help. 699 00:33:18,873 --> 00:33:20,792 And I almost forgot. The person who helped pack up 700 00:33:20,817 --> 00:33:23,570 your dad's things wanted me to give you this. 701 00:33:23,712 --> 00:33:24,796 Thanks. 702 00:33:24,879 --> 00:33:26,196 Have a great day. 703 00:33:28,448 --> 00:33:30,135 Good morning, Ms. Cowley. 704 00:33:30,218 --> 00:33:34,306 Now, could you please tell the court what it was 705 00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:37,267 that prompted you to call the police on your boyfriend Wayne Dixon? 706 00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:39,004 Uh, yeah, I-I don't know. 707 00:33:39,072 --> 00:33:42,606 Um, Wayne was working construction in Westchester, 708 00:33:42,689 --> 00:33:45,358 and, uh, since he started, 709 00:33:45,442 --> 00:33:48,194 he just seemed different, distant, 710 00:33:48,219 --> 00:33:50,054 you know, like he was preoccupied 711 00:33:50,079 --> 00:33:52,207 with something or-or someone. 712 00:33:52,764 --> 00:33:54,826 And then, a few nights later, 713 00:33:54,851 --> 00:33:58,564 I found him out back, burning his clothes. 714 00:33:58,705 --> 00:34:01,833 I mean, why would you burn your clothes? 715 00:34:01,916 --> 00:34:05,670 He said he got some type of toxic chemical on them at work. 716 00:34:05,754 --> 00:34:09,507 But he does framing and drywall. I-I don't know. 717 00:34:09,591 --> 00:34:11,718 It just... it didn't seem right to me. 718 00:34:11,801 --> 00:34:14,095 Now, is that when you phoned the police? 719 00:34:14,661 --> 00:34:16,973 Uh, no, no, not yet. 720 00:34:17,057 --> 00:34:22,020 Um, what really got me thinking was, all of a sudden, 721 00:34:22,103 --> 00:34:24,606 he wanted to start watching Madeline McBride's show 722 00:34:24,689 --> 00:34:25,607 with me all of a sudden. 723 00:34:25,690 --> 00:34:28,443 Like, he never wanted to watch that show before. 724 00:34:28,526 --> 00:34:31,052 He did not like her. 725 00:34:31,613 --> 00:34:32,697 No offense. 726 00:34:32,781 --> 00:34:35,742 I'm sorry. I-I love you, and I love your show so much. 727 00:34:35,825 --> 00:34:37,494 Go, 728 00:34:37,577 --> 00:34:39,134 - Quasimodo. - Um... 729 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,831 So, anyway, he started watching it with me. 730 00:34:41,915 --> 00:34:44,209 And whenever she'd bring up the case, 731 00:34:44,292 --> 00:34:47,837 he'd always say how he was working in that neighborhood 732 00:34:47,921 --> 00:34:51,549 and he knew the house that she was talking about, and... 733 00:34:51,633 --> 00:34:54,177 And did you know your boyfriend was interested 734 00:34:54,260 --> 00:34:56,429 in prepubescent girls? 735 00:34:57,746 --> 00:34:59,099 I don't know. 736 00:35:00,433 --> 00:35:02,686 We never talked about it. 737 00:35:04,979 --> 00:35:09,984 But... whenever we were at the beach or at the park... 738 00:35:12,119 --> 00:35:14,447 ...I thought I always saw him looking. 739 00:35:16,321 --> 00:35:19,491 Then I thought maybe it was just in my mind. 740 00:35:20,495 --> 00:35:22,914 And what did you tell the police when you called them? 741 00:35:23,500 --> 00:35:25,109 I knew from her show 742 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,336 that Kaylee had DNA on her that hadn't been identified. 743 00:35:28,420 --> 00:35:32,090 So, I called them, and I offered Wayne's hairbrush. 744 00:35:32,822 --> 00:35:34,592 And how did you know to do that? 745 00:35:34,676 --> 00:35:35,760 From her show. 746 00:35:35,844 --> 00:35:38,638 She talked about how DNA from a hairbrush caught a killer 747 00:35:38,722 --> 00:35:41,641 she was profiling a couple years back. 748 00:35:42,267 --> 00:35:46,253 Well, it's lucky you watched her show. 749 00:35:46,855 --> 00:35:48,356 Did you know that tips 750 00:35:48,381 --> 00:35:51,384 from Ms. McBride's viewers have helped 751 00:35:51,526 --> 00:35:54,237 in solving over one hundred cases 752 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,614 since the show first aired? 753 00:35:56,698 --> 00:35:58,181 No. 754 00:35:58,742 --> 00:36:00,910 I just think she's really smart 755 00:36:00,994 --> 00:36:02,561 and cool. 756 00:36:03,204 --> 00:36:06,583 Just really good at her job. 757 00:36:07,375 --> 00:36:09,502 Sanctuary. 758 00:36:25,333 --> 00:36:30,148 "Dear Danny James, you don't know me, but my name is Devon. 759 00:36:31,175 --> 00:36:33,738 "Some years ago, I got to know your father. 760 00:36:34,092 --> 00:36:36,488 "We met and fell in love in New York, 761 00:36:37,196 --> 00:36:39,007 "and eventually, I convinced him 762 00:36:39,032 --> 00:36:42,994 "to come live with me in Louisiana where I'm from. 763 00:36:43,768 --> 00:36:47,499 "I did not know at the time about you or your mother. 764 00:36:48,273 --> 00:36:51,919 "Three months after we settled down in Louisiana, 765 00:36:52,020 --> 00:36:55,632 "your father confessed to me about the family he had left. 766 00:36:55,715 --> 00:36:58,635 "Told me that he could no longer bear the guilt 767 00:36:58,718 --> 00:37:01,346 "and needed to go back to you. 768 00:37:01,429 --> 00:37:03,330 "I did not stand in his way. 769 00:37:06,124 --> 00:37:07,560 "He told me when he got to New York, 770 00:37:07,644 --> 00:37:09,854 "your mother refused to speak to him. 771 00:37:10,337 --> 00:37:12,524 "Warned him that if he tried to make contact with you 772 00:37:12,607 --> 00:37:14,984 "that she would kill him. 773 00:37:17,177 --> 00:37:19,197 "He told me he found a small apartment 774 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,533 "and got a job working teaching physical education 775 00:37:21,616 --> 00:37:23,368 "at an art school. 776 00:37:23,451 --> 00:37:25,477 "Even taught himself to sketch. 777 00:37:27,812 --> 00:37:30,041 "Over the years he tried to build up the courage 778 00:37:30,124 --> 00:37:32,043 "to reach out to you, 779 00:37:32,484 --> 00:37:34,546 "but he told me he was so filled with guilt 780 00:37:34,629 --> 00:37:37,048 "and shame for leaving you, 781 00:37:37,073 --> 00:37:38,700 "he just couldn't do it. 782 00:37:39,366 --> 00:37:43,555 "And then one day, he was looking out his window, 783 00:37:43,638 --> 00:37:45,056 "and there you were. 784 00:37:45,139 --> 00:37:46,224 "Walking by. 785 00:37:46,307 --> 00:37:47,767 "He figured you were probably making your way home 786 00:37:47,851 --> 00:37:49,602 "from the police academy. 787 00:37:49,686 --> 00:37:53,523 "He said he saw you maybe ten or 20 times from that window, 788 00:37:53,606 --> 00:37:55,632 "but then, no more. 789 00:37:56,986 --> 00:37:59,590 "I didn't hear from your father again for many years. 790 00:38:00,481 --> 00:38:02,699 "And then about three weeks ago, he called 791 00:38:02,782 --> 00:38:05,536 "to tell me he was very sick. 792 00:38:05,622 --> 00:38:07,912 "I flew to New York, but by the time 793 00:38:07,996 --> 00:38:10,410 "I got there he was already in the hospital. 794 00:38:11,585 --> 00:38:15,972 So I'm writing to let you know what he told me. 795 00:38:16,056 --> 00:38:18,798 "That he wanted you to know he was terribly sorry. 796 00:38:19,674 --> 00:38:21,593 "And he wanted you to know 797 00:38:21,676 --> 00:38:23,076 he loved you." 798 00:38:33,855 --> 00:38:37,609 Jeremy Brennan's suicide is 799 00:38:37,692 --> 00:38:40,111 undeniably tragic. 800 00:38:40,194 --> 00:38:43,072 And no one will ever know with certainty 801 00:38:43,097 --> 00:38:46,016 why he decided to take his own life. 802 00:38:47,410 --> 00:38:50,246 But you know what we do know with certainty? 803 00:38:50,705 --> 00:38:53,458 That Kaylee's killer was caught. 804 00:38:53,541 --> 00:38:56,867 And that's, at least in part, due 805 00:38:56,928 --> 00:38:58,630 to Madeline McBride... 806 00:38:59,571 --> 00:39:01,925 for keeping Kaylee's story alive. 807 00:39:02,842 --> 00:39:06,137 But she was only able to do it 808 00:39:06,220 --> 00:39:09,974 because her freedom of speech allowed her to do it. 809 00:39:10,540 --> 00:39:13,210 See, that's the tricky thing about freedom of speech. 810 00:39:13,277 --> 00:39:15,029 It-it cuts both ways. 811 00:39:15,112 --> 00:39:17,907 See, people have the freedom 812 00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:21,244 to say whatever it is they want to say. 813 00:39:21,327 --> 00:39:24,121 And everyone else has the freedom, uh, 814 00:39:24,146 --> 00:39:26,690 not to listen, not to believe 815 00:39:26,715 --> 00:39:28,247 and to do their own research 816 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,744 and come up with their own conclusions. 817 00:39:30,802 --> 00:39:32,888 I mean, that's what Carla Cowley did. 818 00:39:32,913 --> 00:39:34,331 You heard her. 819 00:39:34,356 --> 00:39:36,316 She loved that woman. 820 00:39:36,717 --> 00:39:39,095 But she did not let the fact 821 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,372 that for over a month, she heard 822 00:39:41,397 --> 00:39:44,544 Madeline McBride, who thought that Jeremy Brennan 823 00:39:44,569 --> 00:39:46,259 probably committed the murder, 824 00:39:46,284 --> 00:39:48,119 stop her from picking up the phone 825 00:39:48,144 --> 00:39:50,830 and calling the police when she was convinced 826 00:39:51,023 --> 00:39:52,999 my client was mistaken. 827 00:39:53,693 --> 00:39:55,486 Look, I... 828 00:39:55,570 --> 00:39:56,795 I get it. 829 00:39:57,016 --> 00:39:59,227 Okay? I get it. She was... 830 00:39:59,252 --> 00:40:00,545 she was wrong. 831 00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:01,851 Wrong on the facts. 832 00:40:01,876 --> 00:40:03,586 Unnecessarily harsh. 833 00:40:03,611 --> 00:40:05,572 And there were times I felt that she took 834 00:40:06,205 --> 00:40:08,056 way too much pleasure 835 00:40:08,081 --> 00:40:11,376 in her ongoing campaign against Jeremy Brennan. 836 00:40:12,490 --> 00:40:13,991 But you know what? 837 00:40:14,422 --> 00:40:17,165 That is not against the law. 838 00:40:17,323 --> 00:40:19,742 And the problem is... 839 00:40:20,219 --> 00:40:21,736 if you don't stand up 840 00:40:21,939 --> 00:40:24,901 for the people you don't necessarily agree with 841 00:40:25,391 --> 00:40:27,435 when someone is trying to silence them, 842 00:40:27,518 --> 00:40:31,105 then there might not be the right to free speech left 843 00:40:31,130 --> 00:40:34,717 when they go after the people you do agree with. 844 00:40:34,859 --> 00:40:37,318 In the matter of Tracy Brennan v. 845 00:40:37,414 --> 00:40:39,289 Madeline McBride and the claim 846 00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:42,450 of intentional infliction of emotional distress... 847 00:40:42,882 --> 00:40:45,849 we, the jury, find Madeline McBride liable. 848 00:40:48,324 --> 00:40:51,155 And we award Tracy Brennan damages 849 00:40:51,180 --> 00:40:54,681 in the amount of two and one half million dollars. 850 00:40:56,155 --> 00:40:57,740 Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 851 00:40:57,765 --> 00:40:59,292 thank you for your service. 852 00:40:59,317 --> 00:41:00,942 Court is adjourned. 853 00:41:05,258 --> 00:41:08,178 Ms. McBride. I'm very sorry. 854 00:41:08,434 --> 00:41:11,077 Don't be, you did your best. 855 00:41:13,852 --> 00:41:15,396 But you lost your job. 856 00:41:15,421 --> 00:41:17,214 You're about to get a boatload of bad publicity. 857 00:41:17,610 --> 00:41:20,071 And today is gonna cost you two and a half million dollars. 858 00:41:20,336 --> 00:41:22,198 Help me understand. 859 00:41:22,223 --> 00:41:24,225 You seem to have made your peace 860 00:41:24,250 --> 00:41:25,758 with this rather quickly. 861 00:41:25,939 --> 00:41:28,511 Well, two and a half million? 862 00:41:28,829 --> 00:41:32,208 That's why God created personal liability insurance. 863 00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:35,670 And the boatload of publicity? 864 00:41:35,753 --> 00:41:37,546 I love it. 865 00:41:37,630 --> 00:41:39,090 Good or bad, 866 00:41:39,115 --> 00:41:40,825 it keeps me in the zeitgeist. 867 00:41:40,850 --> 00:41:43,436 And it will come in handy 868 00:41:43,461 --> 00:41:46,088 when I sit down to cut my new deal. 869 00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:48,808 A new deal? 870 00:41:51,130 --> 00:41:53,382 See, people like me? 871 00:41:53,646 --> 00:41:55,556 People who have the courage to say 872 00:41:55,588 --> 00:41:59,176 what everyone else is thinking even if we're wrong? 873 00:41:59,318 --> 00:42:02,128 We always draw a big crowd. 874 00:42:02,861 --> 00:42:04,989 And trust me, 875 00:42:05,014 --> 00:42:06,382 after today... 876 00:42:07,275 --> 00:42:09,653 the crowd will only be bigger, huh? 877 00:42:09,890 --> 00:42:11,721 Thank you, gentlemen. 878 00:42:12,366 --> 00:42:13,932 Don't forget to send me your bill.